Sixty-five years. It took me SIXTY-FIVE damn years to find the perfect underwear. But I've done found 'em. These are the best drawers I've worn. Don't ride up the leg, don't bunch in the saddle, don't pull, tug, chafe, scratch or itch anywhere. Bought a 7 pack. Wore the first pair for nearly three days they felt so good......never felt clammy or jammy. Haven't put them through the wash yet, so don't know how or if they'll change. But on first wearing, these are the perfect underwear. Men's underwear, just to be clear.